Yeah, and wasn't it the "crystal ball" Jade had when she opened the chest in the beginning?

Anonymous

We aren’t sure. Presumably, yes. But a consort gave it to Rose so we can’t be 100%.

~Mod T

the paradox with Bec's creation is that after a bec-prototyped Jack Noir got the trolls trapped on the meteor, Vriska mind controlled the dersite agents into taking the MEOW book to the ectobiology labs and making Bec with it (pages 004860-004964). She also was partly the cause of Bec getting prototyped (004875) which is also paradoxical and involves Bec.

Anonymous

Actually, Doc Scratch involving himself with his own creation does not create a paradox, it is merely a sustained time loop. It's not a paradox until the time travel itself becomes impossible. If Doc creates his own origin, he cans still travel, if he destroys his origin, then we have a paradox.

Anonymous

Yes that.

~Mod T

I think the trolls are mostly copies of their dancestors, with a little bit of others. Incestuous slurry and all that.

Anonymous

Most likely

~Mod T

I think that with the debate over whether or not Karkat is Kankri's father, you have to take into consideration that Karkat did the ectobiology thing, like John. Wouldn't that make him Kankri's son?

Anonymous

Not necessarily. We don’t know for sure who is who’s parental figure regarding the trolls. It really depends on who was cloned and who was ectobiologically made.  We assume that since the Beforans came first that is how it works out with the Beforan ancestors being the parents. 

We can’t be sure really.

~Mod T

If the Alternian trolls are Post-scratch and the Beforan trolls are pre-, and the Beta kids are Pre- and the alpha kids are post-, then (ecto?)Biologically Kankri is Karkats son, Meenah is Feferis daughter, etc. just a thought.

Anonymous

Technically speaking, yes, The Beforan trolls are the offspring of the Alternian trolls’ pre-scratch counterparts. 

~Mod T

I'm not sure where it was mentioned exactly, but Ive heard Lord English was originally meant to be beaten by slick as far back as the MNC intermission and that Betty Crocker (back before she was merged with the Condesce as one character or even before the condesce was thought up) was meant to be the main and final antagonist. But that during said intermission, Hussie altered his plans. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

Anonymous

Hussie didn’t originally plan to have trolls either.

Who knows, that could be true.

2spooky

~Mod T

Wait if Karkat is a post scratch troll then ectobiologically isn't he Kankris father?

Anonymous

Yep.

~Mod T

Dave isn't smiling in 004725, that's his nose.

Anonymous

We have received several messages about this.

Thank you to all who said it.

~Mod T

Does any Mod like Guidestuck?

Anonymous

I am a fan of guidestuck, yes.

~Mod T